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Hannity & Colmes Taking Back America Show - a little clarity
Sometimes on "yell TV" it is hard to hear the truth. Here are some answers to points raised by atheists and liberals:

1. We need to keep God out of government because religion is devisive
Like the moral rules against murder, adultery, theft - indeed, all moral rules - only two positions are possible, either we obey the first of the Ten Commandments by honoring God or we don't. Among free citizens, the majority rules. If the majority wants to honor God, those who don't can only win by persuading a majority of citizens to come over to their point of view.

The danger that we worry about in the phrase "the tyranny of the majority" is that the majority will vote to violate a moral rule. Because rights come from moral obligations, if the majority voted to ignore a moral obligation they could victimize the minority by infringing the right protected by that moral rule. But there is no danger of a tyranny of the majority when the majority wants to follow a moral rule. That is true whether we are talking about moral rule that relates to our relationship with God or our relationship with others.

2. But isn't mentioning God - and especially teaching religious doctrines - a violation of the separation of church and state?
The separation of church and state is a legitimate Christian doctrine that is important to free government. It is articulated in the Old Testament and its modern expositors include Martin Luther and John Locke.

At its essence, the separation of church and state means it is the job of government to enforce the moral rules and the duty of Christian believers - the church - to tell men how to save their souls.

The question that arises is WHICH moral rules should government enforce? The rules of Islam? The rules of Hinduism? How about the rules that a majority of free citizens agree are the true moral rules? Because the authority of government comes from citizens, government always enforces the moral beliefs that are held by a majority of citizens.

At the time the US was founded the vast majority of citizens were Christians. They recognized that government's ability to enforce any moral rules faced a practical limitation - it just isn't possible to put a policemen on every corner. They also realized that the strongest inducement to follow the moral rules did not come from law or government but from a belief in a God who can see into the hearts and who gives men eternal rewards or punishments depending, in part, on whether man has obeyed the moral rules.

For this reason, when James Madison wrote his Memorial and Remonstrance arguing for the repeal of colonial laws in Virginia that established tax payer support for ministers of the Church of England he still said "Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe."

Far from being an establishment of religion, the Founders considered the mention of God necessary to promote obedience to the moral rules government was formed to enforce.

The Founding Fathers included the doctrine of separation of church and state in the Constitution in the First Amendment's establishment clause. As with the rest of the Bill of Rights, this provision applied only to the federal government. At the time, most states had established particular denominations of Christianity as their official religion.

The Founders were worried that one of these Christian denominations might become the "established" religion of the entire US. So the question that is really relevant is what did the Founders understand to be the legal definition of an "establishment of religion?"

The US Senate answered this question in the mid 19th century. To be an unconstitutional establishment of religion in the Founders' view, a federal law had to do three things:

  • Make attendance mandatory at the worship services of a particular denomination
  • Require tax-payer support for the ministers of that denomination, and
  • Give special political privileges - like the right to vote or hold office - to members of that denomination

These three practices were what characterized the Church of England, especially in British colonies. Since many US denominations had been formed by people fleeing the Church of England, it was these practices the Founders wished to avoid in the US federal government.

Since the separation of church and state is, itself, a religious doctrine, it is ludicrous to suggest that teaching religious doctrines violates the separation of church and state. Indeed, the most important concepts in the Constitution - like equality, the general welfare clause, the enumerated powers clause, the requirement for compensation in the taking of private property, and many others - come directly from religious doctrines. The Constitution of the United States does not state these doctrines, it reflects them. The Constitution becomes empty and meaningless if one does not approach it with a firm understanding of the religious doctrines on which it is based.

For more info on why the Founders did not consider honoring God publicly to be an establishment of religion, see our Special Feature on the Separation of Church and State.

3. The Treaty with Tripoli says the US is not a Christian nation
We set this straight on our homepage about 5 years ago but here it is again:

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli opens with the statement "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..." and continues with a slavish declaration of America's support for Islam.

But none of this appears in the original treaty, and how it got there is one of the strangest hoaxes in history. The treaty was negotiated by Captain Richard O'Brien and originally written in Arabic. O'Brien sent it for signature to Joel Barlow, the American Consul at Algiers, who had an English translation prepared. Article 11 of the actual treaty contains a letter written in poor Arabic that does not say anything like what was inserted.

Barlow signed the treaty in 1796 and sent it to Washington. But six months later, James Leander Cathcart, dispatched as Consul to Tripoli, discovered the error. Cathcart had a corrected copy of the treaty sent to the State Department - in Italian! But nobody at State bothered to translate the Italian and compare it to the original until 1930, and it is the Barlow translation, with the erroneous Article 11, that appears in our statute books.

All of this is documented at the Avalon Project of Yale Law School.

Bottom line, don't let the atheists tell you any official American document actually renounces Christianity. But go read Barlow's Article 11, as Muslims flood into the West, this error will have consequences. Cathcart's corrected translation is here.

You may know that we have never gotten a religious liberty bill passed. Every one that has been proposed - and there have been six or seven - has said that America has no founding religious philosophy. That's simply not true, and God won't let such a bill be made law. The Declaration of Independence stakes our claim to freedom on "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God," an 18th Century term of art in English Law that means "the eternal immutable principles of right and wrong" to which God Himself conforms, found only in the Holy Bible. Don't believe it? Here's the source - the book Jefferson studied as a law student.

4. The Founding Fathers were Deists - or - the Founders believed in Providence, not God
Here's where atheists really demonstrate their ignorance. The dictionary defines deism as:

The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

But Deism was not the view held by America's Founders, because it does not agree with what Scripture plainly states. Not only America's Founders but also almost all Americans at the time of our nation's founding believed, as God says, that He exercises sovereign control over every aspect of His creation to direct it in accordance with His will.

This concept is called "Providence". It is defined fully in what was - at the time America was founded - the preeminent statement of doctrine among English-speaking Christians, the Westminster Confession of Faith. The extent of God's providential control over His creation was well understood by Americans at our founding because the principles of the Westminster Confession were memorized by American children for over a century before we declared independence.

Chapter Five of the Westminster Confession is entitled "Of Providence", and it is sufficient to quote just the first paragraph of this chapter to see that the concept of God's Providence means God's absolute control over all creation:

God the great Creator of all things does uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge, and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy

The belief in God's providence was so widespread at America's founding that George Washington credits God's providential control of creation for our victory in the War for Independence and for the framing and ratification of the Constitution in his Inaugural Address. In his Farewell Addreses he says God has providentially connected a nation's happiness with its virtue.

Thomas Jefferson - and the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence - stated they had a firm reliance on Divine Providence for the support of the Declaration in the closing paragraph of the Declaration itself.

George Mason based his warnings at the Constitutional Convention on God's providential control of the affairs of nations when he said the practice of slavery would lead to a national calamity.

It also appears in the Federalist Papers. The Federalist Papers are a collection of articles written by James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay explaining the ideas of the constitution and why the states ought to stay united. In Federalist No.2, John Jay credits God's providential control of creation not only for victory in the War for Independence but also for the very characteristics of America's land and people. John Jay was the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court:

It has often given me pleasure to observe that independent America was not composed of detached and distant territories, but that one connected, fertile, widespreading country was the portion of our western sons of liberty. Providence has in a particular manner blessed it with a variety of soils and productions, and watered it with innumerable streams, for the delight and accommodation of its inhabitants. A succession of navigable waters forms a kind of chain round its borders, as if to bind it together; while the most noble rivers in the world, running at convenient distances, present them with highways for the easy communication of friendly aids, and the mutual transportation and exchange of their various commodities.

With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people - a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.

This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties.

 


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